Jehovah's Witnesses change thier beliefs so often that their older literature is deeply embarrasing to them.
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Jehovah's Witnesses change thier beliefs so often that their older literature is deeply embarrasing to them.
Six Screens of the Watchtower Library
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Watchtower Society Quotes
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I've been one of Jehovah's Witnesses for more than 30 years and I've never been embarrassed about any of our older publications. Our organization is very concerned about ensuring that we worship God in the way he approves. At times we have made adjustments in our understanding of certain things. That's one of the things I really appreciate about our organization. We're not afraid to admit when we've had a innacurrate view of something and make an adjustment. Unlike the churches of Christendom in general who stick with old doctrines that are clearly at odds with the Bible.
Mark
im sorry but i think you got most of your stories worng but nice try though, i mean no one has successfully proven any of jehovahs wittnesses teachings wrong ever. if you are so concern for your fellow friends that you have to put effort in bringing down jehovah wittnesses. what did they do to you they are a free organization the only free organization what could they have possible have done? no really im intersted.
dude you are a apostate
get a life
sure jehovah witnessess wake me up one sunday ever 2 months but hey i need to get up any way. oh ya i hate how they waste 2 min. of my precious 24 hours.
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I was born and raised one of Jehovah's Witnesses, I may not practice now, and I may never again, who knows. But one thing I do know is that despite what has happened they do not deny they they had inaccurate understandings, also these so called "changes in belief" are corrections of these inaccuracies. Much has happened in the world, and much has been understood by this organization, they are not one to be refuted or disrespected, like all humans being imperfect, they make mistakes. They stand by their beliefs and should be respected as people who do so.
Dear Nathan, I would like to respond to your article that I found on this site:
Stating that you where raised, practiced, are not practicing and may never again practice shows confusion and no spiritual direction. Your comment is a perfect example of this “organization” spinning you around in circles and shows lack in belief in their doctrines from the start. Being FREE in Christ is not a “religion” it’s a relationship. Their inaccuracies and changes in beliefs are what they call “new truths”. The problem with this new truth theology is two fold: 1) if a “new truth” corrects the “old truth”, the old truth was never truth in the first place - but a lie, because whatever is not true HAS to be false. And 2) if truth is even 99.9% accurate it is still NOT truth. This is just basic logic.
“they are not one to be refuted…
Nathen, think about what you just said! You MUST refute everything at first – the Bible teaches that and the organization at one time taught that too:
2 Corinthians 13:5 “Keep testing weather you are in the faith, keep proving what you yourselves are”.
One should examine one’s beliefs to make sure those beliefs are correct, as in a 1950 issue of the Watchtower magazine “Invites careful and critical examination” of the contents in the light of the Scriptures states.[1] The Watchtower, August 15, 1950 p. 263
A 1973 issue of Awake! Magazine says that people should examine “ALL” the evidence and that one arrives at the truth by examining “both sides” of a matter”.[2] Awake! October 22, 1973 p. 6
“We need to examine, not only what we personally believe, but also what is taught by any religious organization with which we may be associated. —The Truth that Leads to Eternal Life, Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, 1968, p. 12
Nathan, were you not aware of these watchtower articles which are completely opposite of what you wrote? Please don’t tell me that you are so naive to believe anything someone says when they come knocking at your door. Because if you are, YOU are the type of person the organization loves to proselize. Comments? Contact me at bruno@brunoversaci.com Meanwhile I’ll keep you in my prayers that you may find truth. Your brother in Christ,
Bruno
yo brunno the JW's try very hard to keep their belifes in their hearts and some times its very hard
the world changes and so dose the understanding of the bible
god dose not want anyine in his organization by force ONE is there by THEIR own WILL not by force so if nathan wanted out its his choice
"Yo" Luis, It's Bruno. Are you a JW? Can you please show me where does it say "the understanding of the bible is always changing"? If this is true then was Paul a liar when he said in Heb. 13:8 that Jesus Christ is the same, yesterday, today and forever? Where do you see "change" there? Looks pretty consistant to me. Get back to me and we'll talk. bruno@brunoversaci.com
I attend the meetings of jehovahs witnesses occationally and i think they are accurate people very kind and try there hardest to save peoples lives i dont think they are trying to waste peoples time i commend them.
Jehovah....Jehovah's Witnesses...these are names that many people hear but yet can't or don't want to fully comprehend their significance. Moreover, as a witness, I find the term "embarrassed" to be fully in error. At various times in history, Jehovah has chosen to reveal his purpose to his servants in a progressive manner. Case in point is his dealings with Abram or Abraham. Here he took the initiative to tell Abraham that a seed would come through his line. Abraham dwelt in tents with his wife Sarah. Yet, he did this in faith because he never saw the realization of this covenant. Moreover, he passed the good news of the covenant down to his sons and this trickled down to offspring until it was emphasized in regard to David becoming king of Israel. Jehovah here did not real all the details of his covenant for a seed to Abraham. He progressively revealed it throughout the time from Abraham until the seed, Christ Jesus, appeared. These progressive truths help true Christians to appreciate the divine timetable and that Jehovah is always working things out for the benefit of those who love him even when it is not readily discernible. The scriptures are full of suchlike examples. To have revealed all of the details of that covenant to Abraham would have been overwhelming to him. Yet, this is not easily understood to those blinded by the god of this system. Just the very fact that someone went to such great effort to discredit Jehovah's people and his "faithful and discreet slave" shows the darkness in which this one dwells. We are not greater than our master, they persecuted Christ Jesus, we expect the same. As far as this logic is concerned, are we to rely on the "logic" of the creature, or the "wisdom" of the creator? Proverbs 4:18 speaks of "the path of the righteous one that gets lighter and lighter till the day is firmly established". In short, I would rather belong to a Theocratic organization that is resolved to be pleasing to Jehovah even if that means adjustments in understanding than to be apart of Christendom who will not enter the kingdom, and prevent others entering also. We should all be aware. There are some among us who are wolves in sheep covering.
I can be reached at mrluton@hotmail.com if there are any questions or comments.
The man who made this video clearly has issues of his own. If he was a real christian then that is what he ought to be consentrating on. Making his own beliefs heard and understood rather than putting so much effort in slagging the view of JW. let them believe in what they want and believe in what you want this is a free world. Who ever joins them thay will have made based on what they have heard. I would have more respect for your views if you had made a video making a case for your faith rather than discrediting those of others, strange how you have chosen the JW has your focal point, Yet there are thousands of religious groups out there some who preach hate and murder. the JW views do not harm anyone and no one is forced to become one even if they have been born in the family it a personal choice which you are free to religuish if you think otherwise.if you have found what you think is the trut then hold on to it and share that with others rather than spending time looking in what others are doing wrong For a JW it is your choice wheather you sign up to the blood issue or not it is according to your conscience and i feel that is fair no gun is held to your head to sign the no blood document. So please get a life or at most spend time getting people to believe the things that are beneficial rather than hating a group of people because you have decided to disassociate with them. Make a case for your own beliefes like the JW do and its that we want to hear !!!!
YOU PEOPLE ARE TERRIBLE!YOU ARE LIARS! GET A LIFE, YOU APOSTATES!YOU LIARS! SATAN WORSHIPERS! JEHOVEH ROCKS! YOU WILL DIE BECAUSE YOU'RE LIARS! MUWAHAHAHAHA! I WILL SPAM YOU!
Sorry, you are wrong, have never been right..and use fear to get your own way, and split up families, send abusive filth in the post and by email.
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child abuse two witness policy
Unhealthful relation with the UN, which has not ended yet
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all things are based on 1914 which is not true, christ isnt in power yet, his presence hasnt even started, and when satan does come down it will be for a short while, and 1914 to present is not a short while, his short while will be the same period it will be for his last and final one worldd empire that he will rule over, the wild beast, and the period will be 42 months. and the sealing of the 144000 havent been sealed yet, this occurs before the time of the end begins...about 75 days before time of the 2 witnesses come to its end..and hapy are those of that group that reach the end of the 1335 days...and when the end begins, jehovahs peopkle go into exile and will be trampled upon by babylon and the wild beast for 1150 days...this is more like the truth, and jesus can only become king at sounding of the last and 7th trumpet
WHY DONT YOU ALL JUST STOP YOUR BITTER NONSENSE.YOU WHOEVER WROTE SAYING 'JEHOVEH ROCKS' MISSPELLED hIS NAME AND NO TRUE WITNESS OF JEHOVAH WILL REPAY EVIL FOR EVIL AND SPAM ANYONE. STOP BEING A LIAR YOU ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN.IF YOU ARE ONE OF JEHOVAHS PEOPLE STOP NOW DEFENDING AGAINST AN APOSTATE OR JUST SOMEONE WITH A LEGITIMATE POINT.IT IS TOO DEEP AND INVOLVED TO DISCUSS THROUGH FLYING EMAILS.THEY NEED TO GO AND SIT WITH AN ELDER OR KNOWLEDGEABLE SPIRITUAL MATURE MEMBER BIBLES OUT AS A CONSTANT REFERENCE.AND YOU-- YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHY YOU ARE ATTACKING ONE PARTICULAR RELIGION WHEN THERE ARE SOME SO CALLED CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS AND I AM TALKING MAINSTREAM WHO TEACH DOCTRINES SO FAR REMOVED FROM BIBLE FACT THAT THEIR LIES ARE APPALLING AND YET YOU DO NOT ATTACK THEM IN ORDER TO TURN ABOUT BILLIONS OF MISLED. WHY IS THIS? NOW I KNOW THAT WHEN YOU FIND A RELIGION THAT YOU CAN SEE IS NEAREST 100% BIBLEBASED ABOVE ALL OTHER RELIGIONS(AND NO RELIGION YET HAS 100% ENLIGHTENMENT YET FROM THE CREATOR)YOU ARE OVER THE MOON. YOU CHECK OUT ALL THE DOCTRINES SCRIPTURALLY AND YOU ARE AMAZED. THEN SOME INDIVIDUAL OR CLIQUE MAKE YOUR LIFE MISERABLE FOR YOU AND BIT BY BIT THE ANGER AND INJUSTICE SWELLS AND YOU DRAW AWAY SLIP OUT OF THE CONGREGATION AND THE RAGE AND ANGER YOU FEEL IS ALMOST VIOLENT.HOW SO? BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT OUT OF ALL THE RELIGIONS YOU TRIED YHOU WERE THE CLOSEST TO THE TRUTH THAN ANY OTHER RELIGION CAN TAKE YOU AND YOU WERE PUSHED OUT BY CLIQUES AND INDIVIDUALS WHO DENIED YOU JUSTICE AND THEN MADE LIFE UNBEARABLE FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU DARED TO MAKE A FUSS.AND YOUR RAGE IS REAL AND JUSTIFIABLE.---BUT---WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS THAT WOLVES AND APOSTATES YET UNCOVERED RIPPED YOU TO PIECES AND YOU HAVE NOT WAITED ON JEHOVAH TO SORT THINGS OUT.YOU ARE RAGEFUL AT HIM AND ARE NOW TURNING ON HIM AND HIS ORGANISATION IN ANGER. NOT ANY OTHER RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION -BUT JEHOVAHS.AND FOR ANY OF THE BLINKERED SELF RIGHTEOUS -'THIS IS NOT TRUE ALL CONGREGATIONS ARE LOVELY THERE ARE NO CLIQUES OR ELDERS WHO WOULD DO THIS'--CLIQUES,THEN YOU CALL JEHOVAH HIMSELF A LIAR BECAUSE HE FORTOLD THAT FALSE SHEPHERDS WOULD RIP THE HEARTS OUT OF THE FLOCK AND TEAR THEM TO PIECES AT THE END. TO DENY THESE TERRIBLE UNSCRUPULOUS UNSPIRITUAL ONES WHO HAVE TURNED APOSTATE IS TO CALL JEHOVAH GOD A LIAR.BUT IF YOU LEFT BECAUSE OF THESE ONES THEN YOU HAVE LEFT THE CREATOR AND ARE PUNISHING HIM FOR THINGS SOME OF HIS ROTTEN CHILDREN HAVE SUBJECTED YOU TO. YOU HAVE FAILED TO WAIT FOR HIM TO BRING EVERYTHING AND EVERYBODY INVOLVED OUT INTO THE OPEN YOU HAVE FAILED TO STAND FIRM AND TRUST HIM.---NOW IT COULD BE THAT YOU ARE ONE OF THE WOLVES MENTIONED ABOVE AND THROUGH YOUR OWN BADNESS AND ARROGANCE AND LACK OF CLOSENESS TO GOD AND BEING SPIRITUALLY WEAK YOU HAVE NOT BEEN WILLING TO WAIT FOR JEHOVAH TO REVEAL THE LIGHT ON A PARTICULAR MATTER AND HAVE GONE OFF AS SATAN DID IN AN UGLY FURY TO WAGE WAR ON JEHOVAHS PEOPLE AS YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY DOING WHEN YOU COULD OTHERWISE BE INVOLVED IN TURNING BILLIONS BACK FROM THE FALSE DOCTRINES OF FALSE MAINSTREAM RELIGION. I AM A LITTLE GRANNY WHO LOVES MY GOD JEHOVAH (AND THE FACT THAT NO OTHER RELIGION WILL HONOUR HIS NAME WILL SURELY IMEDIATELY TELL YOU SOMETHING)AND I MADE THE LONELY REGRETABLE MISTAKE OF ALLOWING MYSELF TO BE OSTRASISED OUT OF THE TRUTH BY THOSE SHEPERDS WHEN I REPORTED GROSS IMMORALITY AND DRINKING AND SMOKING AMONGST THEIR OWN PRECIOUS WELL BROUGHT UP OFFSPRING.NOW IT HAPPENS IN EVERY RELIGION AND SHOULD NOT REFLECT ON GOD. BUT I SHOULD HAVE WAITED AND NOT LEFT. IF I HAD STAYED I WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO REJOICE IN OUR VINDICATION AS JEHOVAH BROUGHT ALL MATTERS TO THE SURFACE.I HOPE THIS HELPS IF YOU ARE OF THE UNJUSTLY TREATED ONES AND IF YOU ARE PLAIN APOSTATE THEN I LEAVE YOU TO GOD.
i add this as i had not realized exactly what you are when i read the comments page originally looking for the library otherwise i should never have had any communication with you at all thinking you were perhaps angry because of bad treatment from apostaTes parading as elders and not tue sheperds at all. i wish i had read other than peoples comments. these awful lies (by the way why not attack the catholic church I was a victim)and to to make out paeodiphiles are lurking within the mainframe of this organization IS trully wicked and despicable.if there are that sort infiltrating us then our own are in danger from attack.TURN ASIDE FROM THIS WEBSITE THIS IS A WICKED VICIOUS MAN.FOR ANY WHO KNOW NO BETTER WE ARE NOT LIVING IN TERROR OF ANYONE WHO OPPOSES SCRIPTURE THAT IS THEIR CHOICE
My Dear JW's (and the Granny that wrote the long note above); I would like to quote Raymond Franz in saying: "I believe that the combination of evidence ...reveals why it is reasonable to say that sensitive and emotionally fragile persons in particular are at risk in what is called a 'spiritual paradise'". - Raymond Franz, In Search of Christian Freedom.
In other words, God did not invent religion - man did. We (as Christains) have a relationship with him. My wife WAS a JW and it is only through me (A Christian) that she is sanctified. PEOPLE: utube is FULL of videos of Former JW who have now found Christ - not to insult you as a JW, but to bring you out of this satanic organization that is decieving many. Secondly if you go to amazon.com and type in Jehovahs Witnesses in the searchh bar, EVERY book is about how this organization is ruining the lives of so many people in the name of "Jahovah". Bottom line: "if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, guess what - it's a duck. Granny is correct - too much detail to post or email. It is my Christian duty to bring as many people (JW or otherwise) to Christ just as we are called to do so. That is the truth, and the truth will set you free regardless of how many doors you knock on, how many rules you must follow or how many meetings you must attend. It so SO good to be free in Jesus Christ - Priase Jesus! May the bonds of your oppressors wiegh loosly on you. Want to talk more? Email me: bruno@brunoversaci.com God Bless,
Bruno
I hear everything that people have said about changing doctrines. Isnt it that Christ also made some changes on the Mosaic Law when he taught Christianity. But all of you should commend the work they are doing at least its the only religion that is making an effort to Follow Christ example of preaching. And the last time I checked the most critisised people are God's Messengers with the likes of Jesus, Noa, Paul so who knows maybe these are true worshipers of God. So I advice all of us to concentrate on our selves and our works and see if we are plaesing Jehovah that to concentrate on mocking Bible concerned people. I am sure most of the negative people who commended on this site are not even living clean lives that is why they are fighting with Light. Dont be coaugth on the wrongside on the Judgment day. leave everything to God and time to solve because no body knows nothing. concentrate on quiting your immoralities not saying bad things about not bad people at all.
"Let the bible speak." The famous line that most JW teachers say.
Here are the evidences that the 1914 kingdom is false.
Mt 16:28 I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
Repeated at Mark.
Mk 9:1 And he said to them, “I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power.”
Repeated again at Luke.
Lk 21:31 Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near.
Lk 21:32 “I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
And this was supported again.
1Th 4:15 According to the Lord’s own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
1Th 4:17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
These statements are not figurative in nature as some might say. It is important to know that Christ insisted that this will happen.
Mk 13:31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
Should we disfellowship Christ then for unbelief in the 1914 prophesy?
A special note to the JW organization:
Ac 1:6 So when they met together, they asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”
Ac 1:7 He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.
I rest my case.
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Hey Irvine. A rebuttle on your comments: YOU SAID: I hear everything that people have said about changing doctrines. Isnt it that Christ also made some changes on the Mosaic Law when he taught Christianity.
Answer: Yes, he did. It's called "The New Testement". You should try reading it sometime.
YOU SAID: But all of you should commend the work they are doing at least its the only religion that is making an effort to Follow Christ example of preaching.
I SAY: God did NOT invent RELIGION! He wants a RELATIONSHIP! HUGE difference. They are NOT the only "religion" but they are the "worst" example. At my church, we have a "reaching out" ministry where we feed the poor (following Christ's example). Show me a Kingdom hall that has one. We build homes (Following Chirsts example), and donate cloths (following Chirst's example). I have yet to "Witness" a Philanthropist Witness! So if you truley want to follow Christ, loose the monkey suites and preach Jesus, not gloom and doom!
YOU SAID: And the last time I checked the most critisised people are God's Messengers with the likes of Jesus, Noa, Paul so who knows maybe these are true worshipers of God.
I SAY: Dude, are you freakin' high? check again! They are NOT true worshipers of God because 1) they don't worship Jesus who IS God and 2) they follow an Organization, not the bible and 3)There are MANY other Christians that are "Criticized". What the hell are you talking about?
YOU SAID: So I advice all of us to concentrate on our selves and our works and see if we are plaesing Jehovah that to concentrate on mocking Bible concerned people.
I SAY: "you are saved by faith, NOT works". What you need to concentrate on is finding a really good bible reading church!
YOU SAID: I am sure most of the negative people who commended on this site are not even living clean lives that is why they are fighting with Light.
I SAY: Man, you are so far out you are starting to come back!... I am Clean - I am perfect! Not of myself, but through Jesus Christ who died for my sins and I have eternal life just like he promised. I am not "afraid of the light" because Jesus is the light!
YOU SAID: Dont be caught on the wrongside on the Judgment day.
I SAID: There is no "wrong side". If you know Jesus as your savior, he's on YOUR side and you shall be found NOT GUILTY on Judgement day.
YOU SAID: leave everything to God and time to solve because no body knows nothing. concentrate on quiting your immoralities not saying bad things about not bad people at all.
I SAY: So how many "immoralities" do I have to quit before I can leave it up to God? And after I "leave it up to God" what happens then? My brother, you are the most spiritually ignorant person I met. Thes "people" (JW's) are good, God fearing, God loving people. The problem is they are following a wolf in sheeps clothing!(The Watchtower). And when Judgement day does come they STILL will be acountable to God! The Watchtower prays on the weak, the gullible, those insecure of their siritual destiny and those that swallow anything people tell them - unfortunatley, it's someone like you. I will pray for you that someday you'll find wisdom and learn whatever the heck you are talking about. Want a free bible study? contact me: thebibleanswerman@hotmail.com
God Bless,
Bruno
Hi Bruno...
I can see that feeding people is indeed a good act, you can feed them as long as they live for 60-90 years but the word of God would feed people in eternity if they have Gods approval,thats what Jehovah's witnesses do. They are as well the most generous people I have ever known and my friends who are not witnesses exactly agree with me. I understand that there are people like you... your right that relationship to God is important, but this is not the only thing that Jehovah is seeking to us...your comments look as if you really dont know anything about Jehovah's witnesses...
anyways, I am not a Witness yet,.i just want to rectify your judgement...they are all farce
Dear Anonymous, I appreciate your comments, but let's clear the air: 1) I NEVER Judge - I was simply responding and 2) you said I don't know much about Jehovah’s Witnesses? I MARRIED ONE! I've been to several "meetings" and I still attend regularly - that is how I bring Witnesses to Christ and out of the Organization. It took me four years of continually showing my wife evidence like this video, online research, books and DVD's on how psychologically damaging this organization is. My friend, where you here when I married my wife and her entire family "shunned her" because of me? Where you here when her best friend, a Jehovah’s Witness found out that my wife was disfellowshipped and they where both crying on the phone because she told my wife she can no longer talk to here? Where you at one of the meetings I attended when they would not shake her hand and made her sit in the back of the room like some kind of "leper" because she told them she was "disfellowshipped"? So tell me, who is JUDGING? The July 2009 Awake! magazine in which the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, under the heading "IS IT WRONG TO CHANGE YOUR RELIGION?" instructs Jehovah's Witnesses: "No one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family." What a crock! They should have been embarrassed to write this. They are hypocrites for if you try to "leave" the organization see what happens - you'll be mocked, shunned and called an "apostate". Wow... real generous! This organization pry on the spiritually week that have no foundation in Jesus Christ. If you read this entire blog I have given many examples in the past. I know so much about Witnesses my dear friend that I bought a home in Brooklyn NY near the WT HQ for the Lord has given me a gift - to bring as many people out of the WT that I can and continue to do so. Although many JW will not leave their contact information because of fear, I freely give mine so I can bring JW to Jesus, gently, kindly and with Christian Love. My friend, I say this with complete sincerity: You are getting involved in a very, very dangerous religious cult that will control how you think, what you wear and what you do. Please! DO YOUR DUE DELIGENCE before you become one. I urge to go to go to www.4jehovah.org and do a little research. Go to amazon.com and buy the book "Crisis of Conscience" written be a Ray Franz a former member of the “Governing Body” you can’t get any higher than that in the organization. Hell, send me the bill and I'll by it for you! And if you feel fearful to step out and do some research, a 1973 Awake! Article says: “one should examine ALL the evidence and that one arrives at the truth by examining both sides of a matter”. Another article says that "we need to examine not only what we personally believe, but also what is taught by any religious organization with which we may be associated." That article is from a Watchtower publication: The Truth that Leads to Eternal Life 1968, pg 13. So you see my friend, I do my homework and am a JW expert. ( : Please, step out of the box - do your research before you make a decision that will change your entire life – a life of bondage. Want to talk about it? Email me at: thebibleanswerman@hotmail.com or call me: 917-709-7324. For Christ, Bruno
Dear Anonymous, I just realized you may be a bit confused. You commented: ...a relationship to God is important, but this is not the only thing that Jehovah is seeking from us...
Well according to John 6:28,29: 28...Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?" Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
Jesus took the "preal" (requires-as in more than one) that the pharases asked him and changed it to "singular" (the work - as in only one work, not works). So according to this passage beliving in Jesus IS the only thing Jehovah seeks from us - Yes, it's that simple! ( :
Bruno
you are all full of shit. Jws are always right - your just all too srtuck up to beleive any of the truth they try to explain to you!!!
Dear Anonymous, boy, arn't you the friendly JW of the bunch. What's up your butt... Hand hurts from knocking on all those doors? Elder rubbed you the wrong way? Or is that monkey suite you wear when you're out preaching "gloom and doom" getting a little stuffy? Here's an idea: put down those rediculous WT/Awake! mags, pick up a REAL bible (I recommend the NIV or the NKJV) read it from cover to cover, then get back to us. Have a wonderful day! ( :
Praise Jesus!
TBAM (thebibleanswerman@hotmail.com)
In regards to the 6 videos you claim that the WT,NWT Math 24-45 is the only rendering stating Faithful and DISCREET SLAVE Ref: Greek scriptures written by non JW'S 1881 By Wescott and Hort.Like any religious organization there needs to be leaders,preachers ,evangalist what for? for the edifying of the congregation.So why not the Faithful and Dis' Slave.All they are doing is encouraging you with a story outline to read Gods main text THE BIBLE.YES THE JW'S HAVE MADE MANY MISTAKES which will only effect those who are man worshipers.Iv'e seen it in many churches.'DO NOT PUT YOUR TRUST IN NOBLES' ALL THAT IS EXSPECTED IS LOYALTY AND RESPECT FOR THOSE WHO ARE LEADING THE FLOCK REMEBER THEY ARE HUMAN TOO.Instead of looking for a religion why not seek for a relationship with a God that you can understand By this all scripture becomes a revalation to you personaly,Regardless of who dispensed the food , preacher , minister, Faithful Slave etc,The question is ...But who makes it grow? GOD!!"by their fruits you shall know them'Remember what Jesus said to his very close followers who had all the gifts!! " Depart from me you workers of lawlesness I never knew you" Do we as christians want that to be us? are we searching our hearts daily for truths regarding our relationships with each other and with our creator? Are we boldly declaring the Good News ?As a JW I speak for myself, there is a saying in our faith " How long have you been in the truth" The challenge today is " How long has the truth been in you? yes the truth that sets all free is the realization that we have all been brought with price and that we are not to judge one another its our hearts that God is seeking out and that we should not become bitter or proud but give commendation to all those who are taking the lead regardless of religion.Praise to Jehovah our God and to his wounderful Son and Reigning King Christ Jesus
Regarding Charles Russell’s comment as to him being a F and D SLAVE.... Like the apostles each was wanting glory " Who is the greater"!!
Russell being human and taking in the attitudes of the 19oo may have had a moment of grandeur, but he never abused his position as to making it official regards to publications The JW'S have only a little in common with the Ruzzelites of today but are great full for the 'No Hellfire' and the one true God doctrine.
Dear Anonymous. Let me see if I can clear a few things up: You said: In regards to the 6 videos you claim that the WT,NWT Math 24-45 is the only rendering stating Faithful and DISCREET SLAVE. All they are doing is encouraging you with a story outline to read Gods main text THE BIBLE.YES THE JW'S HAVE MADE MANY MISTAKES which will only affect those who are man worshipers. I say: First, the WTS does NOT encourage you to read the bible. As a matter of fact, for every 1 word read from the bible, there are 20 words read from WT and Awake! mags-that is NOT reading the bible! The JW's made many mistakes because THEY ARE man worshipers! Who makes the rules? 12 old farts in a Brooklyn room right? What they say goes and if you deviate, you’re kicked out. And believe me they ARE affected. My wife went through hell when she left but now that she is getting to know Jesus, life is good. You said: Are we boldly declaring the Good News? I say: Well, when you come to my door EVERY SINGLE TIME with "gloom and doom" how is that the good news? JW’s are taught is a God to be feared, he will judge you and destroy you. Jesus said all that believe ON HIM shall not parish but have everlasting life. So the next time you come to my door and you proclaim that you are "Jehovah Christian Witnesses", please talk about Jesus! If the world is coming to an end (the new WTS prediction is 2030-here we go again!) what good is that to me? I can't stop it- why would I care?
You said: As a JW I speak for myself, there is a saying in our faith "How long have you been in the truth" The challenge today is "How long has the truth been in you? I say: Um, which "truth" are you talking about? The old truth or the "new truth"? Actually I'm confused: if the old truth was wrong, then it was never truth at all but a lie. So if you're talking about "new truth" How do I know you won't revert back to the "old truth" since the society has a history of going back and forth? You said: we are not to judge one another - I say: but then why did the society judge and disfellowshiped my wife when she's thinking about becoming a Christian? As a matter of fact, your July issue of Awake! 2009 on page 28 says if someone is married to someone of a different faith then those folks should have the same respect as though they are equally yoked. Isn't this hypocritical of what you just stated? You also said: Regarding Charles Russell’s comment as to him being a F and D SLAVE.... Like the apostles each was wanting glory "Who is the greater"!! Russell being human and taking in the attitudes of the 19oo may have had a moment of grandeur, but he never abused his position as to making it official regards to publications The JW'S have only a little in common with the Ruzzelites of today but are greatful for the 'No Hellfire' and the one true God doctrine. I say: Are you serious? Russell was an idiot. Where he left off, Judge Joseph Rutherford took over-and he was never a judge! No hellfire? What bible are you reading? PLEASE! Carefully Read Luke 16:19-31-and what is the purpose of the great white throne judgment if there is no hell? My brother, you have been greatly deceived. Ray Franz, Fred Franz's nephew and once a member of the governing body of JW’s writes "many, many evil things this organization did to so many families and innocent people". I know you want to be close to Jehovah, however do you have any assurance in your salvation? When the 1000 years of paradise does come, how do you know you won't "screw up" and be destroyed? Heck, Adam and Eve had an "Eternity" and they screwed up! My friend, I pray that the bonds of this cultic organization weigh loosely on you and that you find truth in a personal relationship with our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. My wife is on her way to recovery. I hope I can help you too. If you want to talk, email me at: thebibleanswerman@hotmail.com or call me at 917-709-7324. I HIGHLY recommend you visit www 4jehovah dot org a safe place for you to do research and read some fascinating stories. For Him,
Bruno
This stinks ... i mean why not any other religion but Jehovah's Witnesses .. if you live in this age of civilsation you know that everybody is free to believe and no other has a right to be critical .. present what you believe and let the product market you .. dont ever talk about others .. its a choice ..
No John, it doesn't "stink"! "Present what you believe and let the product market you"?? I'm not selling anything! And why not the JW's? BECAUSE THEY KILL PEOPLE! I'm starting to get really tired of the exuse "this is America" "We can believe in whatever we want" etc. True. This is America and we do have FREEDOM. Ironically John, remember that Feedom isn't FREE! The ONLY reason JW's can knock on our doors is because an AMERICAN DIED in a war(s) to keep us "FREE". But yet, the JW's dont believe in war (hypocrites!). Furthermore, I experience they hypocrosy FIRST HAND how they and their "religion" try to pyscologically damage my wife-to this day. Unfreakn'beliveable. What "stinks" John is the WTS. That's what you smell. Bruno
Dear Bruno I like your tenacity and I can feel your hurt regarding your wives bad experiences with the JW's.But let me say this There is no right religion but there is thank God Christianity. I have been a Christian for 30 years and have been through many doors of denominations. In the end I was so confused that I asked my Lord were it was that he needed to place me. Yes I am a JW by name only but that does not mean anything, I simply choose the good things that each denomination has so that I can grow spiritually in humility I need to go to the doors not preaching doom and glom but speaking about the purpose for life and the importance the creator has for us .Yes some JW’s do not have the ability to convey this message, they just don’t have it Yes some are abrupt but this is with all religions. Can you say honestly that all the Salvation Army people are serious? In regards to not going to war I believe that the majority of your fellow Americans believe that the Afghanistan war was illegal and corrupt Remember 3500 of your fine young men are no longer with us “ IN GOD WE TRUST ” We are the soldiers of the universe and by putting pen to paper blood is on our hands Have we not learnt the lessons of Korea and Vietnam! remember “ If we don’t kill the reds there they will come to us \” All the way with LBJ!! NB: By the way in the 2 WW many Christians including JW’s joined the RED CROSS.
I'm happy that you wife has found her home i am not into the apostate stuf.God Bless Broth L
Hey Bruno !you said that JW’s read more WT than the Bible. Last Sunday I attended a meeting the speaker had a 3o min discord. I counted 20 bible references. Not like my previous church who rarely asked the congregation to look up Bible scripture. Some church parishioners never bring a Bible.! Since I have been a JW I have worn out two Bible’s. including my KJ’s This month we have been learning about the fruitages of the spirit in which the Bible reference is “ Know them by there fruits ” ( not by there religion.) For what you are is what you eat. We are to maintain a sweet tasting fruit , not a bitter one. Then people will say Who is your Lord!! That I may get to know him. Taste and see that the Lord is good. God Bless…Broth L
Hey Bruno.! I forgot to add regarding Hellfire. Some churches put fear into the hearts of parishioners to gain loyalty by preaching that there is a place of burning torment. God does not want anyone unless they serve him willingly out of LOVE and not out of FEAR. Hell is a separation from God What could be more tormenting than that!!. Its like a loving and caring mother being separated from her only child. If anyone has lost a child they would understand. God himself experienced it with relation to his only son. Fortunately for us there was a good outcome.
God Bless… Broth L
Dear brother Rick in regards to the first of your six videos.
I have in my attic a diary which my late mother had very carefully placed away. This diary has all the memories in detail WORD for WORD the YEAR/ DAY AND EVEN THE TIME of my childhood. When looking back I wondered how she put up with me. All the nasty and stupid things that I had done .Thank God that I‘m an adult and no longer do the things I did when I was a child.
You see Rick, your WTS Library is liken to pages of my diary and as a babe it had to grow up two But like a loving mother God patiently and lovely made allowances for mistakes to be made. The WTS has tried to correct some but in the past Presidents of the organization have unwittingly hindered progress. Now there is no single person who has the final say but rather a body of elders Is that not maturing!. Also, the WTS has been humbled in there view regarding the last generation 1914 and the closing of the door 1934 for the anointed class as taught by Rutherford YES!, RUTHERFORD was again WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! The new class of YOUNG anointed in the WTS have fresh ides instead of REVALATION it is now RELATIONSHIPS!!
What about other religions take Jimmy Swaggart who fell from grace. Did all of the 66 million Pentecostals leave their faith NO! I think not, What about The TV evangelist Jim and Tammy Baker from the Praise the Lord ministries? Who were caught of embezzlement I could go one as there is a long list of men of God OF ALL DENOMINATIONS that have gone wrong.
When I was attending my previous church I never took down word for word of what the preacher said. I have had much affiliation with ministers and they willingly admit that they have said stupid things and even unwittingly quoted wrong scripture references. And even Pentecostal’s will agree that prophecy / interpretation/ and the laying on of hands have been wittingly or unwittingly abused. Jonestown massager 1978! For example
BUT is there any transcripts for those looking for fault to scrutinize the many other un documented cases?. BUT the WTS is one large transcript. It is all to see on the internet as in the case of the 6 videos. Thank God my diary is not available too!!.
God Bless you all….. love ….Broth…L
Hey Brother ...L? Your so right about going to WAR. We Americans are sick to the neck of FAT CATS milking the tax payer's purse in pursuit of there own greedy interest. This is why the country is going down the drain How much is the dollar worth? Korea 36,000 DEAD Vietnam 56,000 Dead I am not a JW but I do not and will not vote for any government that goes to WAR. Bruno sucks.!!
Hey Bruno, I have not heard from you…were are you!!. I have some questions for you to answer!! you stated that the JW’s kill people “ I'm not selling anything! And why not the JW's? BECAUSE THEY KILL PEOPLE”.
Remember the AIDS epidemic! Thousands of Hemophiliacs died of contaminated blood. Who was it that went from door to door warning those of blood transfusions???
Guess!! The Baptist?, Penticostels,Lutherens or maybe the Salvation Army the GOVERNMENT. RED CROSS, NO!! it was the JW’s Its not recorded how many lives were saved from people listening ,but we now of many that did not head the warning. They just closed the door in front of there faces.( like in Noah's time )
There is still a 7 day window period. Would you still take that chance?
Medical professionals have praised the JW’s on there view regarding Blood and have since altered there practices with bloodless operations. Most everyone is aware of the pathogens blood transfers. But its still big bucks $$$for the Blood bank. The policy is….. to keep the masses ignorant by tagging oppositions like the JW’s as a radical sect.
BRUNO, Now tell me WHO OR WHAT KILLS PEOPLE?
God Bless....Broth L
Dear Brother L, sorry, I’ve been a bit busy and the feeds on this site are not working correctly. Anyway, questions? I love questions! The more the merrier. First and foremost, PLEASE stop using the “AIDS epidemic” as no-blood justification – it’s an excuse. FACT: It’s truly tragic that thousands of JW and their children have died because they have put their confidence in this distorted WT interpretation of “Blood” passages in the bible. So rather you die from AIDS or a refusal of a blood transfusion, what’s the difference? You’re still dead. The WTS has a very bad “track record” on constantly changing positions when it comes to medical issues. Example: The WT publication “The Golden Age Magazine (1931) said that a “vaccination is a direct violation of the everlasting covenant that God made with Noah. So vaccinations were forbidden by the WTS for 12 YEARS! Then, they dropped this prohibition in the 1950’s allowing vaccinations. The 8/22/1965 issue of Awake! Magazine stated that since vaccinations were allowed there has been a decrease in diseases. Ya think? It an’t rocket science! One must wonder how the parents of children who had died as a result of NOT being vaccinated felt when the WTS suddenly reversed its view. And as I stated in my last post and will state it again: THEY KILL PEOPLE. Example 2: The WTS once again changes its view on organ transplants. The 11/15/1967 issue of the WT magazine said that “organ transplants amounted to cannibalism and are not appropriate for Christians”. Then next year’s issue of Awake! agreed as well. Therefore organ transplants were forbidden for 13 YEARS! (Mmm...sound familiar). Again, many JW’s DIED or worse, suffered greatly as a result of not having transplants. But the WT to the rescue! They changed their view AGAIN (starting to see a pattern here?) when the medical values of transplants became a proven fact, and I quote: the WT magazine 3/15/1980 “organ transplants are not necessarily cannibalistic”. Wow. Pure genius. Here’s the fun part: Given the WT track record of prohibiting vaccinations then reversing itself, then banning organ transplants and once again reversing itself, one can only wonder how long it will be until the Society reinterprets the Bible verses it now uses to forbid transfusions – oh, wait, according the 11/2006 Kingdom Ministry, technology offers “alternatives” to “blood transfusions”. Really, how convenient. Tell that to the brother or Sister whose daughter or son DIED before this “new truth” popped a lightbulb in the heads of the governing body. Incase you didn't hear me: THEY KILL PEOPLE. This is a prefect example of a cultic distortion of scripture for one reason only: Control. I quote Ray Franz: former member of the governing body:""I believe that the combination of evidence ...reveals why it is reasonable to say that sensitive and emotionally fragile persons in particular are at risk in what is called a 'spiritual paradise. A couple of questions for you:
What do you think accounts for the
WT’s inconsistency on medical issues?
Is such inconsistency fitting for a “prophet of God”, as the WTS claim to be?
Brother L, remember one thing: Eternity is a very long time to be wrong.
All the glory to Jesus,
Bruno
thebibleanswerman@hotmail.com
Brother L, so by the evidence I presented above, this "boastful" illusion that JW's saved thousands of lives knocking on doors" is a sham, a crock, a discusting lie and a load of crap for as you "save lives" by knocking on the "front door" the WTS killed people left and right through the back door,until Jehovah God gave 12old farts a "new truth". How you sleep at night is beyond me. You also made this statement: "Medical professionals have praised the JW’s on there view regarding Blood and have since altered there practices with bloodless operations". Where do you get your info from; the "Society"? Like I'm so gullable to believe that "Medical Professionals" praised JW's. Well, my 64 thousand dollar question for you is: PLEASE PROVIDE THE NAMES OF THESE "MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS". First thing I want to do is contact them and I want to hear it right from them.
My "I'm not selling anything statment" is simply this: As a Christian I "Evengelize" and as a JW, you "Proselytize". You should know the difference. I'll explain it to the other readers - and please, correct me if I'm wrong: The Encyclopidia Britanica defines Evengleize as: "To share a messeage spiritual in nature with enthusiasim". This is what happened in Acts 8:32 and Acts: 16:30-32 as examples. But the goal of JW's/WTS is to "prselytize" a person - to "convert" that person over to their beliefs, given new fundemental values. And just like the mob, once you're in, there is no honorable way out. Can you show me the biblical prespective for this? THATS the difference my friend. Therefore, you come to my door and "Sell" me your religion, and I "Share" the RELATIONSHIP message of Jesus Christ with a person and if he believes, he is saved and may go about his way and I may never see him again. Yes, it's that simple. Isn't that what Philip did to the Ethiopian man interpeting SCRIPTURE FROM SCRIPTURE, or did he whip out a Watchtower magazine?
Read John 6:28 and see how Jesus responded when the Jewish leaders asked him for "requirements".
Brother L, if you want to talk about this in greater detail you can always email me at: thebibleanswerman@hotmail.com
Bruno Versaci
P.S.
My friend and I build this site below where many JW's can come and investigate the historical claims of the WTS in a non-threatening environment:
www.4jehovah.com
Look forward to talking to you soon,
Bruno
do you realise that you are simply fulfilling bilble prophecy? this is the first and lasttym am entering this site. you being used by satan. Why dedicate your life to condemning them when u can study the bible and show pipo bible truths. so never again will i use your site because i treasure everlasting life.
BRUNO, ARE YOU A CHRISTIAN? BECAUSE I SEE YOU BELIEVE IN ASTROLOGY. ISNT THIS MIXING BELIEFS? ON YOUR PROFILE IT SAYS:
Astrological Sign: Libra
Zodiac Year: Tiger
NOTICE ONE THING ALSO, WHEN YOU COMMEND AGAINST JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES YOU USE UNFRIENDLY LANGUAGE LIKE, 'CRAP' OPPOSED TO EVERYONE WHO COMMENDS IN FAVOUR OF JW's. THAT ONLY TELLS A LOT. ONE WHO IS FAITHFUL IN LITTLE THINGS IS ALSO FAITHFUL IN MAIN THINGS.
BRUNO DO YOU KNOW WHAT JESUS SAID TO HIS DISCIPLES WHEN THEY REPORTED TO HIM THAT THEY FOUND OTHERS WHOM DIDNT BELONG TO THEIR GROUP PREACHING AND HEALING? HE TOLD THEM THAT ,LEAVE THEM, IF THEY ARE FROM MY FATHER THEY SHALL CARRY ON BUT IF THEY ARE NOT IT SHALL FADE AWAY. JESUS FOLLOWERS FOLLOW HIS EXAMPLE OF HUMBLENESS, UNDERSTANDING AND LEAVING SOMETHINGS FOR GOD TO SOLVE. SHALL YOU?
Dear Anonymous: When you said: "do you realize that you are simply fulfilling bible prophecy?" Really? With the WTS history of prophetic failers (i.e. 1875, 1914, 1925, 1975, 1992- and now a new date: 2034, do you really think you're qualified to pass that kind of judgment? Come on man, THINK! You need to understand - I am not being argument HOWEVER, I am FIRM. If I am "being used by Satan" then you, my brother, are being BLINDED by Satan. What is amazing is evidence like this video and others all over YOUTUBE are exposing WT lies, deceit and inconsistencies, but yet you refuse to believe (Luke 19:31). All we are saying is rather then argue, show us Christians the same (or similar inconsistencies). So rather then come up with evidence on the rebuttal, you simply say we are "part of this system of things" - compared to what? You also stated: "Why dedicate your life to condemning them when u can study the bible and show pipo bible truths". I am NOT condemning JW's. I love them. My wife was a JW and her family now CONDEMNS HER for finding the "truth" in Jesus Christ. With the examples of their shunning and mocking her, why would anyone want to be a part of this organization which is clearly Satanic in nature? I Condemn the WTS, not JW's because they have been deceived. Please tell me, when was the last time you studied the bible? What I mean is NO WT mags, NO AWAKE! mags, NO WT Books - study the bible BY YOURSELF like it says in 1 John, 2:27? When it's statically proven that you read 10 words in WT mags to every 1 word in the bible, how can you say you are showing people "bible truths" when the last time I checked, Jehovah is NOT a magazine publisher? And lastly, you stated you treasure everlasting life. Well, my friend, you cay try to do good all you want. Or as you said never come to this site, maybe read all the WT mags you want, wear your suites and go crazy by knocking on all the doors you want. But unfortunately, that will NOT get you to heaven (Ephesians 2:8) . Only being saved will do that. Most Sincerely,
Bruno Versaci
thebibleanswerman@hotmail.com
Dear "Irvine". I'd be more than happy to answer your questions from your above post: 1. Yes, I am A CHRISTIAN. 2. I do NOT Believe in "Astrology". It is not mixing beliefs; it's you "jumping to conclusions". Although I'm reasonably computer savvy, I did not know at the time those fields where "optional" to join. Just like I still don't know how to make a "feed" from this blog and in essence, I need to check back manually. Does that "mix my belifes" before Jehovah? You wrote to me in ALL CAPS. In blog edict that is a form of "yelling". Does that mix your beliefs before God when Jehovah says you must have self control? My language is appropriate. I’m not angry at JW’s. It's bold and stern to get a point across. Crap, crap, crap. All it means is "trash, garbage, dung, disposed material etc." If I need to use a bit more powerful adjectives and pronouns to make a point, I will. Once my pastor said: What the "Hell's" wrong with these people in a sermon, no one so much batted an eye. So what "does it tell"? It tells that this garbage (i.e. "crap") that the WTS is feeding you is destroying lives and families only because you refuse to look at the evidence. Please remember Irvine, while you point the finger at me 3 of them are pointing right back at you. Rather then worry about what adjectives I use, you may want to focus on finding "the truth" because the WTS is just big lie. And by the way, let’s get one thing clear: I ADORE JW's. My wife was a JW before she left this mind controlling cult. Jehovah’s Witnesses are simply God fearing people that have been led astray because of spiritual weakness and blindness. I HATE the WTS, not JW’s! That's a HUGE difference my friend. The way the WTS controls and prosecutes their people "SAYS A LOT". One who is "faithful" is saved by the grace of God, not by works, should any man boast. Therefore, I highly recommend you look before you leap. For him,
The bible Answer Man.
thebibleanswerman@hotmail.com
Now to answer your other questions: Carry on doing what? Are they to "carry on" and be humble and understanding or to preach and heal? You are "talking in circles" which, as studying the WTS as much as I do, I can see it is your major source of influence. Remember - look before you leap -you also said "AND LEAVING SOMETHINGS FOR GOD TO SOLVE SHALL YOU?" Tell me my friend, are you REALLY comfortable making that statement when the WTS tried to SOLVE the end of the world 5 TIMES and were WRONG EVERYTIME? Or, how about when they tried to SOLVE if "The men of Sodom would ever be resurrected": The WTS has answered 'yes' (Wt. July 1879, p. 8).'No' (Wt. June 1, 1952, p. 338), 'Yes' (Wt. Aug. 1, 1965, p. 479), 'No' (Wt. June 1, 1988, p. 31), 'Yes' (1988 book Insight on the Scriptures, p. 985), 'No' (1988 book Revelation: Its Grand Climax At Hand! p. 273). In fact, early printings of the book You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth say 'yes' but later printings of the same book say 'no.' (pp. 178-179). Yeah, I do think this should have been one of those things for God to solve, not the WTS. Irvine, I'm not hostile with JW's. As a matter of fact, if you review all previous posts, you'll notice that all I do is ask VERY SPECIFIC questions. It seams that they get frustrated and call me an "Apostate" mostly because they can’t give me a simple logical answer. But I do have just one more question: The 2010 "memorial" is around the corner. JW's are taught that Jesus has come to earth "Invisibly" in 1914. And at every memorial the elder will always read 1 Corinthians, 11:23-28: "...for whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes again". Well, the question is since Jesus already came AGAIN (in 1914) invisibly, then WHY DO JW'S STILL PRACTICE THE MEMORIAL SERVICE"? While I await an answer, this video about the “memorial” is a real eye-opener: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sGTI0TJ3XI
For Jesus,
Bruno
The Bible Answer Man
thebibleanswerman@hotmail.com
www.4jehovah.org
I hear you brother,i am not fighting but I am just beg to differ, by the way I am not a witness but I am just against jugding people as being astray coz I am not sure and no body can be so sure to be the first to trow a stone at these people because we all fall short. We will never get to know Jehovah to the full, we can only try and our efforrt is waht Jehovah appreaciates. talking about your satetment 'One who is "faithful" is saved by the grace of God, not by works, should any man boast' I am confused coz also Paul said the opposit. how is it so that Jas 2:26 - YOU see that a man is to be declared righteous by works, and not by faith alone. 25 In the same manner was not also Ra′hab the harlot declared righteous by works, after she had received the messengers hospitably and sent them out by another way? 26 Indeed, as the body without spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.
i think most people have faith in Jehovah and Jesus but what makes them un acceptable to God is that they dont live up to Jehovah's standards isnt that so?
We are saved not only with Faith but also with works so the twqo go hand in hand bro.
Read James 2:14 -17 - 14 Of what benefit is it, my brothers, if a certain one says he has faith but he does not have works? That faith cannot save him, can it? 15 If a brother or a sister is in a naked state and lacking the food sufficient for the day, 16 yet a certain one of YOU says to them: “Go in peace, keep warm and well fed,” but YOU do not give them the necessities for [their] body, of what benefit is it? 17 Thus, too, faith, if it does not have works, is dead in itself.
Whats your taking on this bro.
About coming of Jesus I dont know. all I know is even Jesus disciples of old had difficulties trying to solve the riddles of Jesus statements. The bets way for us is to just live up to Jehovah's standards and wait on him. I think that is the best.
Irvine, good to hear from you. Well, if you're not a JW, maybe an Ex-JW or a 7th Day Adventist? Since your writing style is calling God Jehovah often, I’m just guessing one of these. Nonetheless, that's not really important. I understand were you're coming from, but let's take everything in context. You said: "I am not sure and no body can be so sure to be the first to throw a stone at these people because we all fall short." True! (Romans 3:23: all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God). Then you said: "We will never get to know Jehovah to the full, we can only try and our effort is what Jehovah appreciates". Do you see how Romans 3:23 and your statement contradict each other? In other words, if we all fall short, what good are our efforts? Adam and Eve had an eternity to be perfect and they fell short. You also mentioned: "but what makes them unacceptable to God is that they don’t live up to Jehovah's standards isn’t that so? No, my friend, it's NOT SO. According to Romans 3:23, the only "standard" is COMPLETE HOLINESS-are you perfectly HOLY before Jehovah? Obviously, you nor I CANNOT ever achieve that STANDARD in this human life-but through JESUS WE are PERFECT and all we have to do is Believe (John 6:28, John 3:14). In John 6:28, the pharoses’ asked Jesus about God's "standards" and Jesus took the plural form (more than one) and gave them just ONE Standard-believe in him! Do you see how scripture interprets scripture?
Now about my statement 'One who is "faithful" is saved by the grace of God, not by works...I am confused coz also Paul said the opposite. How is it so that Jas 2:26” This is easy to explain: James says that Abraham was "Justified" (declared righteous) because of what he DID Paul says he was justified because he BELIEVED God (Romans 4:1-5). James and Paul are NOT contradicting but COMPLEMENTING each other. We are not justified by what we DO in ANYWAY. There is nothing you can do to EARN or BUY your salvation; it is a FREE gift from God. True faith always results in works, but the works do not JUSTIFY us. Faith brings us salvation; active obedience demonstrates that our faith is genuine. Rahab demonstrated faith in God's purpose by hiding the spies and as a result, her and her family where SAVED from the destruction of the city. Another simple example: I of course have faith in God, but for quite awhile, I would never tithe (works). So because I have no works (i.e. my lack of tithing) my faith is DEAD. However, do I loose my salvation? NO. Why? Because I am perfect through Jesus Christ who HAS MET THE STANDARD that I could never meet. BUT, as I continue to grow as a Christian, my WORKS increased because of my FAITH, and visa/versa. and being a Christian is always a “work in progress”.
I think I answered this question with your previous post, but in addition: Sadly, JW are taught to either attend every meeting, go in field service as much as is humanly possible and to read and study EVERY publication or they just aren’t doing enough. In other words, Work, Work Work... to meet "the standards". If they "fall short", they are then labeled as weak and made to feel unworthy if these objectives aren’t fully met. Is it encouraging or burdensome to have such heavy loads? What about families who have numerous obligations and people who have to work a lot or elders who have too many responsibilities to realistically fulfill the expectations they hear and read about constantly in WT publications? My church has 10,000 members and over 90 ministries. We have 4 weakly services because it’s obviously too crowded on Sundays. How doe we grow so big in 20 years? By going “door to door” and working our butts off to spread the word? Of course not. We invite them to church! Or we witness at work, through people and some even heard us on our radio program. So door to door is not the only way to witness. As a matter of fact, Luke 10:7 says DO NOT go door to door! So like everything in life, it’s a healthy balance of Mental, Spiritual and Physical activities. That’s my take!
Once again my brother, trying to live up to God’s standards is a losing battle. Actually, you lost the day you where born-you were born a sinner. Jesus came to forgive sins- all our sins, past, present and future. The bible says: Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come! 2 Corinthians 5:17. How cool is this verse! Once you come to Jesus, you are new – the old is gone – no standards! That’s what Jesus meant when he said “And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” (John 8:32). Once again, free from Standards! This is where I get upset becuase cults like the Watchtower, the Mormons, even Catholicism (a world religion) focus on “doing all these things” when Jesus said “it is finished” (John 19:30). I really am driving this point home because I’ve seen so much suffering, emotional pain and the division of families all over religious control when all that is simply needed is a relationship with Jesus Christ and yes, it is “that simple”. And although some of the parables Jesus tells are puzzling at times and I don't know everything. And if I think it means something and you think it means something else, that fine - because we are still of "one accord" - be both know Jesus, that's all that really matters. Oh, and if you’re curious about my “credentials”: I have been studying the bible on my own for the last 20 years. Just recently I enrolled into Northern California Bible College whereas I am pursuing a degree (BS) in Biblical Theology and Hermeneutics. Although it is only my first semester, once I earn my degree I will open a ministry (yes,works!) for Jehovah’s Witnesses and Ex-Witnesses that want out of the WTS or just need support. I already bought a home in Brooklyn NY, approx 2 miles from WT HQ where the streets are littered with JW’s “street witnessing”. I really feel for these people because I "married one". I've been to several meetings, memorials, read a ton of their WT/Awake! mags and once I told my in-laws that I am a follower of Jusus Christ and have no interest in becoming part of this organization, they started shunning my wife, she lost her friends, became disfollowshipped, and labled me an "apostate" because I took their daughther away from this cult and said I'm "of the world" and Satan's helper. Does this sound like something "Christians" would do? So I now know my Godly purpose: To win as many souls to Jesus Christ as possible JW’s and everyone who wants to hear “the truth”. I hope I answered your questions. God Bless my friend.
P.S. You should really check out this website: www.4jehovah.org Click on the "stories" link and you'll read some unbelivable testimonies of folks that used to be in the organization and what they had to go thruogh to get out.
Till next time. Bruno. thebibleanswerman@hotmail.com
Hello everyone.
When reading some of these threads it seems apparent that there is gross misinformation, immense anger and unhappiness here. I am sorry that anyone feels hurt by what imperfect men have done, but is it God's fault?
What we need is a new powerful Government to sort everything out for us!
May your Kingdom Come Jehovah!
May your will be done here on Earth as it is in Heaven.
Always hrough your wonderful Son Jesus Christ!
With Christian Love
The Surgeon
Hello Surgeon.
Well, you are "partially" correct. There is "gross” misinformation here - misinformation that the Watchtower Society spreads across our country and the world. I can give you PLENTY of ACCURATE information and examples, but it would take up to much time and space here. That's why I recommend visiting my other site: www.4jehovah.org for the most up-to-date information about the Watchtower Society and its deceptions. Immense anger? Yes, some may show that side of them because apologetics can be a little emotional at times, Unhappiness? Being happy or sad is a choice (an emotional choice). I’m happy, and my job as an ambassador for Jesus Christ is to bring happiness to others by bringing them out of the bonds of the Watchtower and into the freedom that Jesus Christ has to offer as a FREE gift. In fact, I believe it’s because they are slaves to a man-made organization that makes them so “unhappy”. Check out this like here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhbwwe0nn1I were many have come from sadness to happiness simply by leaving a man-made organization; Praise Jehovah for that! Man is "imperfect" because he invented "religions" to conform to what he believes about God. You are correct, it's man's fault not Gods'. What we NEED is a RELATIONSHIP with God (Jesus) not a Government. As I stated before: "I read the last chapter of the book - we win!" So rather then come to my door with focus on a “new government” and "the end of the world", tell me about Jesus and I'll be part of the Kingdom when he does come! That's easy isn't it? No man-made rules, traditions, double standards or trying to falsely predict "the end". Just believe in Jesus. Amen! Your brother in Christ,
Bruno ( :
ALL OF YOU, WHO CRITICIZE JEHOVA'S WITNESSES, ALL WHO SPEAK WITHOUT KNOWING, WITHOUT MAKING SURE OF THE REASONS THAT YOU ARE JUST IGNORING AS THE WORST FOOLS,WILL HAVE YOUR TURN BEFORE THE ALMIGHTY GOD JEHOVA. YOU'LL SEE. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. THAT'S ALL I CAN TELL YOU, AS I CAN'T DISCUSS ANYTHING ELSE WITH SUCH FOOLS AND EXTREMELY IGNORANTS. IT WOULD BE JUST A WASTE OF TIME AND EFFORT. IF YOU WANT TO REALLY KNOW AND HAVE ALL THE RESPONSES YOU WANT OR 'NEED', THEN START STUDYING ALL THE WAY, NOT JUST WHAT YOUR CONVENIENCE CALLS YOU FOR. THEN, IN NO TIME, YOU WILL BE EMBARRASED BEFORE YOURSELVES.
Dear Petisa, first, Merry Christmas! According to my RESEARCH, even the ANGELS in heaven CELEBRATED the BIRTH of CHRIST. So please do you reseach as well and Secondly, it is proper manners NOT TO CAPITALIZE when you write because that is a form of YELLING...not a very good example of you being a "Witness for Jehovah" is it? And lastly, why all the hatered? Have you read my posts on this blog? I ask such simple questions but I can never get an answer. Do you know why? Because it's hard to ask a "religion" questions who have all the "answers". The WTS knows a lot about religion, but it knows nothing about God. So when you calm down, how about my asking you a few simple questions. I am not going to debate with you, just challenge you. You are so quick to "judge" that you are "in the truth" when I truly believe you don't even know what truth is. So when it comes to ignorance, please, check your OLD WT references. How much "brighter" can this "NEW" light continue to get before you are so blind you can't even see the truth? Why are you calling me a fool? Have we ever spoken? It's angery JW's like you that give the rest of them a bad name. You think it's "a waste of time and effort" to bring souls into the loving arms of Jesus Christ? And you call yourself a "Jehovah Christian Witness" with comments like that? Wow. That's a bit hypcretical don't you think? The entire world is going to hell in a handbaskset and all you're worried about is "who get's the last laugh"? I pray that you find truth in Jesus Christ and then he (the truth!) will set you free. As always, I'm always inviting JW's to an open conversation and bible study at my private email: thebibleanswerman@hotmail.com. Hope to hear from you soon. For Christ, TBAM
No, my 'dear' Bruno, I am not (at least yet), so stop judging further of what you 'think' the way things really are. So, stop blaming them for my statings. I don't have the honor of being one (I repeat, at least yet). Another thing is that they are NOT prophets, my 'dear'. They DON'T call themselves prophets, EVER, EVER, NEVER. You should learn to listen carefully, before stating stuff. I am sorry if you got offended with my capitalization, but I thought that the blind is yourself, and I wanted to make sure that you will see at least the letters, that's all. If you don't have the intelligence enough to understand what is good for you, at least review the bible CAREFULLY in the private of your home, slowly, meditating about what you read, that't all you have to do. Another last thing I will say to you is that Jesus Christ himself commanded their followers to celebrate his DEATH, not his birthdate. I prompt you to read the bible, before continue 'talking' nonsense, Mr. know it all. Have a good day!
Dear Petisa, Hello. I do have some answers that I think you'll find interesting with your first post, but I'm having issues trying to post (I get a delay and then an non-post). Please email me at thebibleanswerman@hotmail.com. I'd love to talk to you some more. Hope to hear from you soon. Bruno
Dear Petisa. Why are you so angry? There you go YELLING again. You have a horrible attitude as a "Christian" or whatever other religion you practice. I'm trying to post, but I can't. Maybe it's working now. Nonetheless, if you still care to talk I have a question for you: YOU SAID in you last post: They DON'T call themselves prophets, EVER, EVER, NEVER. Please take a look at the Awake! Magazine dated 4/1/1972. I have an original copy; I can email you a .PDF file. IT STATES: “…In ancient times he sent PROPHETS. Does Jehovah have a PROPHET to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? These questions can be answered as YES! Who is this PROPHET? This PROPHET is not ONE MAN, but a BODY of MEN and WOMEN, a group of followers known as JEHOVAHS WITNESSES. Of course, it is easy to say that this GROUP acts as a PROPHET of God, but it is another thing to PROVE it. The only way this can be done is to REVIEW THE RECORD. WHAT DOES IT SHOW?” We’ll stop here (it’s a long article). Pietra, I CAREFULLY READ FACTS before I “stated stuff”. Let’s “REVIEW the RECORD” of the WTS: 1874, failed prophecy, 1875 failed prophecy (but Jesus did come INVISABLY how convenient!) 1914, 1925, 1935, failed prophecies. “Armageddon” is in 1975(10/1/1975 WT) and 1975 came and went. So what does the "record" show? Two things: 1) the WTS SAID JW's are PROPHETS, and 2) they've deceived so many people. Your comments would be appriciated. Look forward to hearing from you, Bruno ( : TBAM
oh and one last thing Petisa, as I continued to read you post of anger, you mentioned that I'm in a "false religion". Well aside from the WT FACTS that I just provided all you're doing is just letting out steam. Religions like the WTS “Jehovah’s Organization” is a high-control religion that almost tore our marring apart. So what “I think” is far more then you will ever know. As an Ambassador of Christ I bring souls out of these false religions and into a RELATIONSHIP with Jesus. It has nothing to do with RELIGION. Yes, the WTS knows a lot about RELIGION, but they know NOTHING about God. I can’t reach every JW, but those that I do reach now find life to be ENJOYED, rather then EDURED by WTS control and "religious" requirements. So forgive me if I "bored you", but Jesus said it himself: "You can raise one from the dead and yet, they will still not believe. (Lk 16:32) I meant what I said. I will pray that for you that Jesus will remove your anger from your heart and you will find truth in Jesus for in him "the Truth" will set you free. Your brother in Christ. Brunoo TBAM ( :
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